RHONY: LuAnn Makes Racist Remark That Really Upsets Carole!
The Real Housewives of New York is finally getting a bit interesting and expected on today’s episode is LuAnn making some racist remarks that Carole isn’t to pleased by! So what does LuAnn say that upsets Carole? She uses the phrase “Indian” in which Carole believes “Anyone over the third grade knows not to say ‘Indian.’ Check out the sneak peek footage below!
Do you understand why Carole is upset or is she taking it to far?!
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UGHHH Now Carole is getting annoying!!
I agree. Overly PC just annoys me and I hate LuAnn.
I like her, lol ! Maybe she is like that because of her writing and also, did she not work for a huge news company? Just a guess, and screw LuLu. She is on my shizz list this season!
I like Carole too and also agree with what she was saying. Considering the Countess never wastes a moment to correct someone else for their mistakes, she certainly doesn’t take well to being corrected herself or admitting she was insensitive in her comments.
Exactly! Remember when she ridiculed Ramona for not pronouncing correctly the town/area her wine came from??
Also bugged me that she said Ramona wouldn’t engage at the Christmas party. If Ramona had given LuMan what she deserved for the mean wine trick, then LuMan would have criticized her for fighting with her at her party.
Pumpkin Head refuses to ever admit wrongdoing. She’s a hag.
I like her too, but I am getting a little tired of constant PC attitudes. LuAnn is Native American and call herself what she wishes, but I LOVE it when she is called on anything because she sure can’t take even the slightest criticism. She is so full of herself.
Oh yes Jennifer- I think my guess was right- think she is PC and little much for professional reasons. She has worked with and for ABC for many hers, 20/20, a news show called ” Close Up, and other things. Think that adds to her PC’ness.. lol
Michers,
I have read Carole’s book. It is all an act. She is ultra liberal, but this is definitely PC BS to push Luann. While I dislike Luann, I have to side with her on this one. Carole needs to tone it down so she doesn’t come across as a Ms. know it all. IMHO.
O poop! LOl. Thats a little diappointing to hear. I do like her though on the show. I think she is a good one for this bunch!
I’ve read her book too, and what do you mean it is all an act? Her book is great.
And if she’s liberal, SO WHAT? About half the country agrees with her.
I don’t see what is so liberal about basic consideration and respect. LuAnn always talks about being an American Indian/Native American, but she sat there and said nothing when Jacque called them savages.
If our government still has the Bureau of Inidan Affairs bia.gov then Indian is not deemed by at least the Federal Government as a racist word.
Indian affairs…typo
Yup because our government is perfect by all means!
ELJ,
If the Gov’t, 12nationally known museums, the American Indian college fund and the American Indian people call themselves that. My SIL is half Lakota as well, then there is more than enough backing to say American Indian is a term used and it is not racist. The Gov’t and the college fund would have changed in the last 40 years. Carole is patently false and arrogant for what she said.
I don’t watch this show, but I will say that I do find it insulting. Even though LuAnn is part Native American, she shouldn’t say Indian. My ex was part Native, and he would get really insulted when someone would call him Indian because it’s disrespectful to him and his heritage. Some people may not mind, but be a little more respectful about it.
Everyone is different.
LuAnn is the one with the heritage and she gets to decide for herself.
Actually I think Carol went out of bounds. LuAnn is native American and if she wants to say Indian it is her right. We say American Indian and there National Museum of The American Indian an off shoot of the Smithsonian Institution. So technically you can use American Indian. I hate overly PC and just because native American is census form I do not believe it is the only racial discreption.
Honestly, Carol is 45 when she went to school and Uni everyone said American Indian. I think it is a non issue. I hate to defend LuAnn, but I hate overly PC diatribes even more.
There is the American Indian College Fund…Carole is overly PC on this one. She has to let some things go because I hate to side with LuAnn
Amen. People are being so damn PC and it’s fake BS. If we really respected each other as people first then the need to hammer politically correct terms would not be needed. Get over it, it’s not like she made a derrogarive statement about Indians, she just used a term that many Native Americans themselves use.
I agree on this PC over use. They have changed census forms so many times and subsections on the issue of type of American Indian. I just think we go over board. If the group is not being racist I think the Ms. Know it all and condescending factor comes into play. Carole seemed very condescending to me and I would never defend Luann.
Frankly, I am pissed at Carole for making me defend Luann. Overt liberalism for a sound byte is fake. You nailed it on its head with that one.
LOL Jennifer! I am not budging on LuLu! Go Carole! Of all the things to pick apart on this show, this is not one for me. Its funny to me because if the conversation were reversed, I believe LuLu would have her fancy panties in such a bunch, it would be remarkable! She would be the one arguing that its Native American, not Indian.. I just know it
Luann is a joke and we know it. I can get the inside scope in what happened at Le Cirque if you guys like ypthe co-owner is a friend of mine. Very good friend.
My friend is co- owner of Le Cirque. If you want th scope I can get it. And Le Cirque has the most extensive wine list in NYC. A 1,400/bottle wine is nothing. They carry upto 50k bottle right in the restaurant. They seldomn sell a 50k but have at least at time when KKR had a huge deal and they went all out on it.
The point is that The Countess has been so judgmental of others, never missing a beat to correct someone for the smallest of mistakes and yet here she was mocking her own heritage. And yes she was mocking it with her cry for battle patting her mouth, and some other smart azz comment about scalping. Again I realize she was being humorous but if this had been ANYONE else, she would of taken offence and been the first to wipe the floor with them over it. LuAnn has NO tolerance for anyone other than herself.
Girlfriend needs a wake up call because that boyfriend of hers isn’t going to stick around long enough to see her give him a baby. Not going to happen.
Sorry I am on LuAnn’s side with this one. If she doesn’t find it offensive & is part Indian then she should be able to say it. Like she said the Museum is Indian not Native American. Since we were kids it was Cowboys & Indians not Native Americans. If I were of that heritage I would be proud to be called an Indian ! Sometimes this polictically correct stuff goes to far. Being an Indian ia a huge part of American culture !
I think the issue is that Indians are from India. Native Americans are from America. And weren’t they also calling them aborigines? That whole conversation was stupid and embarrassing, and I think Carole just complained about “Indian” to distance herself from the whole thing.
Anytime you address a criticism to an adult by starting with “anyone who passed third grade…..” you are already on the downside – that is insulting even if followed by good advice.
Indians are from India, but Columbus thought he landed in India. But American Indian is what they said over and over again, but is fine. We have Bia.gov, Bureau of Indian Affairs, The American Indian Museum in DC part of the Smithsonian Institute, 11 other museums across the country all of cultural ties to the American Indian tribes, The American Indian College Fund administered by a board of American Indian race, and it goes on and on. As for Canada, well Carole s wrong there as well it is Canadian Indian, but now the usage is First Nation.
This is all too PC and Carole is patently incorrect and annoying for a dinner party. It was annoying and I like Carole. I didn’t like her book, What Remains. It was too JFK jr and Caroline Bissette focused, which would have never been published if they had not died prior to her husband Anthony. It was serviceable but nothing great. However, I find her funny and witty. I do not like the snide comments because they come across as grating and I wish she would tone it down.
And Carole is 49 even in Canada there was no change until she was in Uni. There is no change in the US American Indian is considered PC
I usually like Carole but seriously. Luann didn’t say it in a demeaning way and its her people. I’m Black and growing up I spent a lot of time with my grandfather (born in 1907) he would refer to other Black people as Negro, because that’s what he was accustomed to, it wasn’t an insult like the other n-word.
Occassionally I’ll say Negro, simply because thats the first thing that comes to my mind not because I’m attempting to degrade my own people. I also don’t say African-American, again because I didn’t grow up hearing that. I was in middle school before there was a big deal made about being called African-American, not Black.
I think I would be put off if someone that was not Black (heck even another Black person) claimed they were offended that I said Black or Negro and not African-American. I’m sorry but you aren’t going to dictate how I refer to myself.
I’m more offended by women refering to themselves and others as bitches, but if that’s a term they choose to use so be it. I had a friend call me a bitch in an endearing way and I simply said, I don’t like being called that even in a nice way, it makes me uncomfortable and that was the end of that. I didn’t give her some lecture on why I believed it was wrong.
Nice post.
I agree 100%
I agree and I don’t like Luann. I care much more about the content then the person.
No, LuAnn didn’t make a “racist” remark when she made reference to Indians. She may have made a politically incorrect or insulting remark (in some people’s opinion), but it is not by definition “racist” in motivation or action.
I wish people like Carol would learn the difference. And her overreaction was ridiculous.
Canada is full of American Indians? What? Think they all need a history lesson there. Canadians refer to them as Indigenous people. They aren’t AMERICAN! That to me was the biggest asinine comment the Discountess said! The whopping and her saying “I can say it because I am one” was more insulting than anything else she said. I can’t stand her. I can’t stand how people of a different ethnic background uses that excuse. I can say it because I am one. Real great etiquette Discountess.
Luann knows nothing about her history. I am Canadian and I can tell you that we do not talk this way. Completely inappropriate.
i’m sure you say things that only you and your friends can say to each other but if someone else does it you will get offended. so don’t do that “how people of a different ethnic background uses that excuse ” routine. it doesn’t work and it can’t change facts. luann can say it because she is indian. just like i can call one of my friends a b- word but if someone who i don’t know does it to me then i will be offended. thats just the way it is.
I can and will say people of different ethnic backgrounds using that excuse. If I can be called racist by the same people saying using that “excuse” because of the connotations and the horrible history that it brings up, then why should it be any different? You keep using those same words, and then ANTONE that uses those same words will never understand why YOU’RE getting upset for them being used! Do as I say not as I do just doesn’t fly with me, sorry if you feel different, but guess what I really could give two fucks what you think!
jen in jersey
first, do not cuss at me. totally uncalled for.
as for the “excuse” thats just the way it is. i already explained to you why. if you can’t get it then that is your problem and you seem like a very stubborn person that don’t want to listen to reason and facts. i don’t disagree with you entirely because i despise racist people and i don’t like anyone using racist remarks no matter what your heritage is. the fact is when someone of an outside heritage uses a derogatory remark it is much more hurtful, rude, and insensitive than someone of the same heritage using it on their own people. it will always be that way and nothing you can do about it. it doesn’t take a genius as to why a word can be and is offensive. if you have ever been too school you would know so using that” why YOU’RE getting upset for them being used!” is a lame excuse.
you know what doesnt fly with me?!! that you claim you don’t joke around with your friends or family. if you don’t i guess you’re a boring individual. you do things that you are able to do with your close friends & family than with strangers. everyone is like that.
i agree luann is an idiot and she isn’t an indian and she needs to rewrite her ettiquette book. i watched the entire scene and now my views have changed. she was being insensitive and rude but carole was making it too much of a big deal over “indian” or “native american”. carole should’ve been pissed at what jac and sonja were saying. those two were highly offensive.
Are you kidding, rukidding?
Let me start off with telling you, since you seem to find it fitting to address me like I’m a child, that again, since you seem to suddenly gone PC on us, I don’t give two figs what you think. Just because someone is a certain race, ethnic background, has a handicap, religion or even sexual orientation DOES NOT give them or any one else the RIGHT to use a word deemed by a majority of people, ESPECIALLY those of whatever category it may fall into the right to use a derogatory word. Just because YOU say so, doesn’t make it right or LAW. You may think it’s funny, or playing around, but in reality (I think you might reside there), it’s classless, disrespectful and not humorous at the very least. It is an excuse for poor manners and a lack of respect. Period. Yes, of course it’s going to be viewed more hurtful if someone outside your race (or whatever category) says it, did I say it wasn’t? What I said, is it’s an EXCUSE that saying because I’m gay (fill in the blank), I can call other people (fill in the blank) a fag (fill in the blank), or I can call myself a (fill in the blank). Again, sorry, doesn’t work that way, Darling. Ask Perez Hilton how well that goes down. Bottom line, I don’t care if it’s joking, out of anger or out of hatred, doesn’t give ANYONE the right to say it.
I’m sorry you think I’m boring for not calling my friends bitches, but sweetheart, I have more respect for my friends and family members than to stoop to such a level. I don’t find humor in calling people names like that, and again, just because you say so, doesn’t make it right. Of course I joke around with my friends, but I guess perhaps I hold myself and my friends I have up to a higher standard than perhaps others, and apparently you, do with regards of loving terms. I think it reinforces sexism, just like certain words reinforces racism.
The use of the word Indian is up for debate as if it is racist. Again, I’ll state my OPINION. I don’t think it was, BUT her actions and the way she spoke, and the way Jacques (which I noticed she no longer says with a French accent, it’s now “Jack”) spoke was disrespectful and could be perceived as racist. I wonder if the tables were turned and the conversation was about Jacques Jewish heritage if this would be up for debate? I’m sure with his French heritage and Jewish religion/culture/heritage, he’s heard a lot of unsavory names, and Luann and Jacques are disgusting for the way they acted.
As for being stubborn and not listening to facts, here’s a fact, I have been to school, quite a few of them actually, but that is neither here nor there (and at grade school, I also learned about capitalization). I didn’t have to learn that a word can be offensive in school, I learned it at home from my parents. They instilled in me right and wrong. I have an adopted cousin that is Navajo. Friends that are Sioux, Black, Tongon, Filipino, Samoan, gay and lesbian. I will tell you what I heard and learn in school as far as peer relations. That hip hop and other forms of music have degrading lyrics to women can be used, and that seems to be alright with most kids at school and apparently you. That the most disgusting, degrading word that refers to people of Black African heritage can be used, and that is alright. That the word gay can be an insult and an adjective. Kids bully and use these words at their disposal.
Sorry, I rather take the lessons I learned at home about how we should treat one another, then those learned at school, or from you for that matter.
And actually I don’t say things to my friends and family or call them names that would or might offend someone else. And she isn’t Indian. People from India are Indian, she may may some Native American heritage, but she is not India.
Tecnically they are American because this whole hemisphere is called America–North America, Central America and South America. We’re the only ones who hog the term America for ourselves.
Exactly.
So you’re telling me that people from Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador and Canadians consider themselves “Americans?”
When I am in Brazil they do ID themselves as South Americans. It is said by all in Argentina and Brazil.
Of course they do, just as all Europeans do. BUT, they also refer to themselves as Spanish, English, Scottish.. Most anyone from a continent can do that, Australians not included. What are North Americans living in the United States of America suppose to call ourselves, United Statians?
Also, Canadians and Mexicans call ourselves NORTH Americans. We’re located in the Northern part of the Americas.
Brazil and all the rest are located in the Southern part of the Americas. Hence SOUTH Americans.
Sorry, American alone is strictly for people who live in the United States, or were born there.
That is true. The continents are north and south America
LuAnn is of Indian heritage (I think). So, she can say Indan all day. But, Native American is politically corect. LuAnn, is not the classy person she pretends to be. Which is ok. There is nothing wrong with “New Money”. I always thought of the Hamptons as this untouchable, rich, distinguished place. But, P Diddy’s parties are the place that everyone…(rich, old, poor, middle class, classy, class less) wants to be. I love new money.
Silly logic. If a word cannot be used by a certain group of people because it has been deemed offensive, then I for one believe that no one should use the word at all. Can’t pick and choose.
But is hasn’t been deemed offensive. I fact the American Indian College fund is their fund. The department of American Indian AFFAIRS has dual names. It is not offensive. Only Carole has made if categorically so.
brett. yeah brett like that is ever gonna happen. as long as people can speak then certain words will always be around. i would wish everyone would stop using offensive words but it ain’t gonna happen. also being too politically correct is not helping the issue at all. it’s gotten to a point that simple words can be offended to someone and always have to be careful what you say. it’s gotten out of hand.
I think I mentioned this somewhere on here that if the show was on the other foot, and Carole or anyone else would have said Indian, LuLu would have had an immediate meltdown over it and corrected everyone !
Exactly… Can’t be do as I say, not as I do.
I do not believe anyone would care if they said American Indian, which is really what was said over six times.
I would tend to agree-BUT, in my own experience, I don’t remember why or when using the word, “Indian”, became an insult? I know people who are proud to call themselves American Indians and I’m a little surprized to hear that someone would say there is something wrong with the term.
I think Carole got this one wrong, if only for having the nerve to try to dictate policy on an essential non-issue.
Thank you. We can’t expect others to respect the pc term if the term is still being used by the group of people being offended. Set an example. If you don’t want others using the word because it’s so offensive to you, then you shouldn’t dare use it either.
She may have some Native American heritage, but she isn’t or Indian heritage. Indians are from India!
so random.
PLEASE do we all speak perfectly…every word out of our mouths? She should just apoligize if someone is offended and that should be the end of it.
Didn’t Jacques call them savages? Nobody even said anything about that.
i played the video like 3 times and i didn’t hear him say that. can you point it out to me? i did hear sonja say something stupid.
didn’t they put the word on the screen because he said it in French and the pronunciation is very different?
in the video playing in this blog it didnt show what he said but i did see the entire episode and i saw it. what an idiot jac is. carole should’ve ripped into him instead.
He did. It was in the subtitle, but it was meant for Luann and in playing. Like we call Southerm Italians Terroni and we are Southern Italian…
But Jacque isn’t a Native American. He has no business saying that, especially on TV.
As Native American from my mothers side both Cherokee and Comanche I was offended by Luanns boyfriends comment “American Indian is a polite word for savages!” Otherwise I wasn’t much offended by Luann. She’s always saying something ignorant out of her own attention seeking self serving needs!
LJ yes, i heard what the other so called “adults” were saying and what they were saying was so much more offensive than what luann said. i like carole so i hope it wasn’t just an excuse to argue with luann because of the whole asking for a dress from her friend incident.
I have to defend Luann on this one. If a college fund run by board of American Indians and it is largest fund for native Americans is called The American Indian College fund, the governs has the bia.gov whose head is Native American, Bureau of Indian Affairs, The American Indian Museum, the movement similar to NAACP is AIM American Indian Movement, American Indian Serivices, American Indian Center of Chicago, American Indian History in the Library of Congress, then American Indian is NOT a racist word. Carole is ridiculous in polite company to school people on manners.
The government bia.gov this is the support for the Indian Autonomous states and native Americans living elsewhere
I think what Carole was getting at the heart of, is she felt they were ridiculing the Native American, American Indian.. whatever you choose to call it. Most American Indians I know don’t mind being called Indians. They grew up being called that. They grew up on Indian reservations. I will say, my adopted cousin refer to himself as Navajo, not Indian. As do my Sioux friends. They’ll even go as far as saying their Lakota. The outrage over the use of Indian from me is how Luann and the rest acted. The scalping, the “savages,” the whooping like she did. She should be ashamed of herself.
I am NATIVE and was not too offended by the indian comment, but I was offended by the woo woo, scalping, savage, burning houses and other racist comments. Luann and Jock are going to have a lot of explaining to do when all the mail comes in.
Andy probably won’t even mention Jacques’s racist “savage” comment. But he WILL mention Sonja’s comments about Jewish men wanting kids. He’ll ask her what she meant by that. He doesn’t care what anyone says as long as they don’t insult gays or Jews.
I was more insulted by her war cry and scalp comment… LeAnn is ignorant and for right now I love Carol stirring the pot…
When I have to check off a box about “race,” I always write “human.”
Off the subject but I wanted to pop the Pumpkin Head when she was demanding that Ramona say the mean wine game was not mean spirited. (I did think it was a mean set-up) THEN she said something along the lines of “let’s settle this so you won’t go around talking to the other women about me”. What?? That’s all Luann has done since the season started – run from person to person talking negatively about Ramona.
I can’t stand her.
Like the way LuAnn ran to the other women, first show, to tell them about Ramona calling her and “blackmailing” her re her children, trying to influence the other’s opinions of Ramona. These ladies have very short memories of their own trespasses and very long memories of others’.
It is a pity that good manners and politeness is called political correctness which then seems to give people permission to be transgressive, rude and offensive. LuAnn’s use of American Indian is one thing, but her war whooping and scalp jokes were not. Jacques interjection of “How!” was pathetic. It was a complete indulgence in racist stereotyping – and made only worse by this woman who drops her heritage in a conversation to be “interesting” but whose life experience has not been impinged on by the racism and deprivation that is the experience of most Native Americans.
She has frequently disgusted me, but never more so than last night.
Originally LuAnn said Indian, not American Indian, which is where Carole began to object. LuAnn then said American Indian, but added so much bullshit that she created the disagreement. She’s clinging to her correction, ignoring her first usage and her “wild Indian” phrase to pretend she didn’t say what she said.
The war cry was over the top.
Wait a minute hold on are you kidding me. I liked Carol in the beginning now, not so much. That is the problem right here. Librals are all about censoring everyone else. STFU, if LuAnn wants to call herself Shit head thats her perogitive. Lets not talk about what you want to have her say .It is not about you at all.So stop with the critique no body cares. Don’t get me wrong I am not a big fan of LuAnns but a am a fan of free speech. She didn’t yell fire in a theater. Carol is getting too much.
Conservatives censor people too if they hear something they don’t like.I don’t think this has anything to do with politics. I think Carole is just sick of pumpkin head LuAnn.
I just love a “fan of free speech” who says STFU.
Excellent point, I defend the right to say what I please get it. I meant it to make a strong statement. So in that sense your right.
Did anybody think that Harry guy was gross? They all talk about him like he’s some good looking ladies man, and then he turns out to be short, squat and half bald. Yuck.
I live in Canada and using the term ‘Indian’ isnt acceptable. We refer to them as First Nations, Native Americans, Aboriginals, etc.
I was shocked by her comments!
Also, using the term ‘Indian’ is as disrespectful as calling the Inuit people ‘Eskimos’.
Actually Carole, there is still much debate as to what said ethnic group would like to be called. “Native American” can be misconstrued to be anyone born in the Americas. And, as a person of this heritage, I will attest that many of us prefer “American Indian”. Thanks so much for nebbing into our business though. Aren’t you one of those people who keep telling everyone to “have an open mind”? I guess that phrase only refers to those who agree with you.
Oops……those who DONT agree with you!